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« on: October 04, 2011, 06:01:20 AM »

Good morning. Greetings from the Southern Coast of England!

Today marks my first full day of owning an android through my new Desire HD. I must say it has been a very disappointing start.
Sad to see there was not even a condensed user guide in the box, but what was most disappointing was my first call to HTC for guidance. I had three questions which I had written down - one relating to downloading data storage and how to ensure it went to my SD card and not the actual phone, the second was adapting the sounds to come from my SD card, and finally a question about maps, which clearly irritated the gentleman I spoke with. He told me, unequivocally that all maps are stored on the phone. I pointed out that the phone showed I only had 1.6GB of available space. He said that was correct. When I told him that if this were the case I would not be able to add, in some cases, more than three maps and certainly not all of a large country such as South America or the US. The chap said "for someone who claims to know nothing about Android phones you certainly know a lot." This miffed me. I told the gentleman that I still knew nothing about the phones but I have a basic understanding of mathematics a you can't put 2400 megabytes into 1600 megabytes worth of space. He then said "well, I think it would be best if I refer you to our website and you can use that as your reference."

I thanked him and ended the call. Surely they could be a bit more supportive to someone who is new at this technology and certainly they must gather that anyone using an android phone for the first time has a learning curve to get through. I'm a busy person as most people are and no doubt once I got my initial calls sorted over a few days I would not be bothering them again. But they must not see it this way.

It was a sad experience and not one I wish to repeat.  Of course I'll refer to the 243 page guide but I should think if HTC were to provide a condensed user guide with the phone many people, such as myself, would not need to make even the first call to their 'support' line, thus reducing their service costs exponentially!  Fr B+
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« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2011, 07:44:52 AM »

There phone support is waste of time, but then there are very few support centres that are of any use no matter who you call, for the very basic reason that they are generally outsourced to staff who seldom know the subject matter in detail and who have to follow a script - which I seldom find includes what I need (Always ask for their supervisor if you find you are off the script)....
HTC's e-mail support works much better. If you get a standard response back i.e. computer generated script - query it again using the reference number - that will get you a proper person and one who knows the phones.

To answer some of your questions, you might need to reply to some of mine. Not sure where you got your phone from, but mine came with a condesed manual showing how to install battery, microSd and how to get initial set up done etc, the main manual was pdf file on the SD card.

Assuming that a 8GB card came with the phone and that you have installed that in the microsd slot it means that you should have two storage alternatives - easy to check. From the home page, press menu --> settings --> SD & phone storage.
SD Card should show approx 7.46GB (that is 8GB, I know, I know, but it really is).
Under Internal Storage you should have less than 1.2GB.

First question - where was the 1.6GB that you are referring to?

Internal Storage is where your apps and most apps data will automatically install. Very large apps will often install the basics there i.e. 4MB and then install the rest to the SD Card approx 300MB. The 1.2GB you get here should be more than enough for all your app needs without transferring any apps to your SD card (which can impact on widget use) - if you want to install the apps to the SD card there are apps that can assist you in doing this, look for them on the market - or you can do it manually by going into the Settings --> Applications and going into each individual app to set where its stored.

As previously said most apps will automatically store there data to internal - you have to go into the apps and see if there is an option to make them store their data to the SD card and manually set it. Large apps will do this automatically as they wouldn't be able to work any other way - these tend to be games.

Going back to your Map issue - are you referring to the Location app? If so then that automatically saves to the SD Card. The UK & Ireland maps is approx 480MB, I know that the US maps are approx 4.8GB. If you are traveling a lot and using them for navigation fair enough about downloading, but if you are doing that much travel and to a lot of different countries you might want to consider getting a bigger micro SD card, are only installing the map you might need for each trip. Uninstalling and reinstalling the maps are pretty easy, but you will need wifi (i haven't tried moving them from the card and back again via USB, but it would probably work).

However if you just want a map to see stuff etc, I would suggest using google maps - as long as you have a data connection it works great. You can even use it for navigating, but it does need to retain an connection unless you have precached the route. I wouldn't suggest using this in foreign countries due to excessive data roaming charges from the network operators.
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« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2011, 01:55:41 PM »

Good evening jaamgans! 

How kind of you not only to respond so promptly, but with such depth and foresight. Thank you very much indeed!

Yes, it was wholly unnecessary and disappointing. I shall heed your advice and revert to using the 'chat' line henceforth.
Please understand, although I'm technically inept with my new phone I'm certainly not an idiot, nor afraid to search as best I can. But what the service chap seemed to forget or perhaps simply didn't care about was the fact I am not yet au fait with HTC's jargon, interpretations, and in some cases acronyms. Just as a wholly pedantic point, I noticed one of the buttons on my screen says 'flashlight.'

I'm not certain I would EVER consider typing in the word flashlight if I were needing to search for information regarding whether my phone has a 'torch?' Daft example perhaps - but I hope it's one that makes sense.

You're very kind to offer advice. I found on the phone whilst talking to the HTC chappy a note that said I had 1.6GB of available memory. This is what prompted the discourse with the gentleman. Last night I had already downloaded what I felt would be my most immediate needs in the form of maps.

You are correct, I do travel extensively and one very important feature of the HD phone was the map system. But now I must show my ignorance, I didn't realise the difference between Google Maps and whatever may be on the phone.

Last month, whilst driving my daughter all over the country, plus to Paris,  to visit potential universities, she and I compared my year old Nokia 'posh' phone and her new Desire phone, which I had purchased for her as a graduation gift.

We were blown away with how uniquely different the two phones were in the map features as we travelled. Her phone promptly registered where we were and charted our route quickly. My Nokia eventually sorted it out but instantly told us to 'turn around.'  Each time we came to either a junction or roundabout the Desire would (albeit somewhat after the fact occasionally) tell us to turn left or right, but again, the Nokia became muddled and told us to either turn around or would re-load to compute the route again. It became quite comical. At the time I was under the impression my daughter's phone was using only the Desire and reverted to whatever it thought necessary to guide us like and ADF beacon for aeroplanes. The Nokia appeared to use only its resident maps.

Apologies for being so verbose. In this instance I'm hoping I can choose a setting that remains permanent and in my general best interest. My journeys are generally rather static. I travel extensively to the Continent and the states and Australia - all of which I assume will be no problem. But the most definitive reason I selected this phone was under advice of the UK's SOCA and our local Interpol rep. I work with victims of child-trafficking and collectively we're hoping this phone will provide an active mapping of where I am 24/7 as I travel between Hungary, Romania, and Moldova, and occasionally Transnistria. Consequently, whatever flaws the phone may have, they matter little provided I understand how to maximise my GPS details, and Ident key.

I shall follow your suggestion about the SD card. I took the card from my Nokia and placed it in the Desire. It had more than 6GB avail. The content being no more than a few radio shows to help escape the tedium at nights when there is no radio or telly and some innocuous work photos.  This does lead to another perhaps logical concern - how will I move the data from the smaller SD card to the new 16 or 32 GB card I'll buy immediately....(and I've been told there are some SD cards that have a higher performance ability than others - if you know anything about this I'd be grateful for your advice. You clearly know what you're speaking about.

And I'll try to find an 'app' that helps me move everything to the SD card. I haven't even broached this new concept yet. I certainly understand the concept and how they would logically work but don't know the steps - which I'm sure will come to me in no time.

Moot point I'm sure, but I would have GLADLY paid a premium for a quality printed condensed user guide. I wish they had offered this option. I got my contact number from the same place you got yours - the global phone list. And I used the same instruction sheet you did to start the phone up. From all the propaganda I've seen regarding the deplorable power drainage from which this phone suffers I've already ordered two new high-density batteries with the hopes they will provide me all I need during one of my typical 36 hour days.

Again, thank you so very much for your kind concise and professional advice. This was a warm welcome and much appreciated!

I wish you very best regards!

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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2011, 02:09:09 AM »

There are a couple af Apps that will help you.

App2SD transfers your apps to the SD Card.  Be warn that some apps do not function from the card especially if they rely on widgets (Android limitation)

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.a0soft.gphone.app2sd&hl=en

MyPhoneExplorer is a very usefull app to backup/transfer data, contacts to and from your phone.  You will need the client on the phone and the program on your PC.  This will work over WiFi or USB

http://www.fjsoft.at/en/

As for the SD Card I would go for a trusted brand name like SanDisk Class 6 card.  (the class determins the transfer speed).  The cheap ones from ebay are pot luck on wether you get a good one or not.  Sandisk also can confirm wether the card you have is genuine

HTH
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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2011, 05:02:45 AM »

To add to MarkD's advice:
Trusted brands are good, but most work fine as long as its from a reputable store and not from a dodgy ebay store - if its too good to be true it probably is. They look real but they aren't and tend to give issues. Depending on what you use the card for any class is fine, but the higher the class the quicker it will work - which can be useful for transferring large files or for taking video.

Useful apps to analyse your SD card:
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.google.android.diskusage

And then SanDisk have put out a really neat one to:
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.sandisk.mz

Either of these are great at showing you what is on your SD card.

A note re the SD Card you are using - format it via the phone. People who haven't done this have occasionally found issues, so always worth doing it. If you have stuff on it that you don't want to loose - transfer to PC, then once formatted you can transfer it back.



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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2011, 05:23:57 AM »

Re your other queries:

Ignore the 1.6GB your read about - use the apps provided in my previous post or the menu setting I provided to see what you actually have available.

Flashlight - this is an app, and if it is on your home screen its a shortcut to launch the app, which uses your flash lights as a torch - by pressing on the torch you can increase or decrease the amount of light provided. Your home screen can contain the following:
folders - variety available from contact lists to folding apps - there are also apps that help improve the standard folders available
widgets - prime example of this is the clock weather widget that most phones come set up with this - its a dynamic place holder that provides info depending on what widget you have chosen - you can track sport results etc, weather, email - the options are numerous. A lot of apps also contain widgets so you can see at a glance app info instead of having to launch the app.
switches --> basically a widget but I like to call them a switch because that is what they do - an example of this is one that stops and starts your GPS. The phone has the standard Android and Sense widgets, however I prefer using these off the market:
https://market.android.com/developer?pub=CurveFish - you might want to consider the GPS one, or use the native Android or Sense GPS widget - to enable you to switch on your GPS quickly without having to go through the menu - or you can use the option in the notification pull down.
Shortcut icons --> these are just like on a PC - press on one and it launches the app. I don't have many of these on my home screen - I tend to bunch them in folders and have folder on my home screen. I don't use the native folders as I prefer the features provided by this app:
https://market.android.com/developer?pub=Fabio+Collini
I have provided the link to the lite version - if you like please consider the paid version - Fabio does good work and keeps it regularly updated.
To change wallpaper or add widgets - long press the screen and follow the pop ups.
To remove a widget, folder, switch etc long press it, and after the vibration you will notice that the bottom of the screen has changed - drag it to the bin (you aren't deleting it or uninstalling it - you are jut removing it from the home screen).

In regards to using maps - not sure which Nokia you had, but the Desire and Desire HD (and virtually every Android phone) comes with GPS - which enables it to use satellites and hence provide a service very similar / same as SatNavs.
When GPS is on, depending on its lock it will often have you down to around 5-10m (only military get closer - done on purpose). Without GPS on (and if ticked in the settings menu) phone will use their wireless signals to triangulate a position which will put you in a position within approx 500m circle - i.e. not great for navigating - its possible this is all your Nokia had and hence the issue.

If your daughter was using Google Maps - entirely possible - it used to lag a bit occasionally but has got loads better, and barely if ever does it, especially if you precache your route first. I would suggest leaving GPS off unless you require it as it can reduce battery life.

If you want to track your position I would suggest enabling the HTC Sense website option - which can track your phone (read up about it in the manual) and I would also suggest setting up and enabling latitude - though beware that latitude might create data charges - would check with google or test it - or perhaps someone else might know. Its possible that as long as you don't go into latitude it will not cost you anything. To test enable some one to see your latitude position (google maps option, but also there is a stand alone app icon for it in your app drawer), turn on your GPS, make sure it has your position on google maps. Then switch off data connection. Move away and see if the person can see your position being updated. I would think it should work fine, but worth checking due to the areas you visit.

I wouldn't bother moving apps to the SD card until you need to i.e. review the internal memory and if it gets below 100MB then consider it. 
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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2011, 05:31:51 PM »

Good morning Mark and jaamgans!  I must say I'm in awe that both of you have contributed so much of your time to help me. I'm most grateful indeed! I'm now feeling rather guilty. And I must immediately offer an apology to you jaamgans regarding the "flashlight." I was merely using that as an example to express my frustration with the HTC chap who didn't care that I wasn't au fait with their jargon and terminologies. As I've shared before. I don't think of myself as an idiot and I'm grasping it as quickly as I can - although just as with your good selves, finding time is a frightful challenge right now. I started this early this morning. It's 2330 now and I've just arrived back. Full day in court. I just don't want any of you to think I'm being rude or ungrateful. I shall reply in the morning when I can make more sense. I have something to share. Jaamgams, you'd think you're a psychic considering what has occurred with the reply I received from HTC. Again, thank you all! Nice to know you're all so up on all of this.
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« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2011, 07:45:17 AM »

Had HTC phones for ages - just know how there support works. Not that much difference to anyone elses. I like to get what I pay for, so when I am not happy I complain - so I complain enough that I know how the system works....

Do yourself a favour and do read the manual, especially if you are new to Android, as Sense is quite a complicated overlay to Android (which is much simpler and easier to work with), it will make your life much easier. Or just let us know when you hit an issue, but please do try the search function on this forum as there is already a lot really good advice on this board.
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